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Post by Admin on Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:06 pm



Apparently, the crass characters over at RevLeft have finally discovered our humble forum. As one would naturally expect, the 'consensus' being reached is deprived of a sufficient analytical context. They use the fact that we are more tolerant of divergent opinions as evidence of some fascistic/racist foundation. (They would do well to actually consult our FAQ, Guidelines, and Restrictions and Bannings threads before jumping to any conclusions.)

And, of course, who can forget the fact that Spanish reactionaries also used the word 'Phalanx' (Falange) for their fascistic movement. Exclamation I suppose the fact that the word 'socialist' is also in our title is additional evidence of 'fascism', due to the fact that the Nazis were National Socialists!

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Re: RevLeft discovers the Socialist Phalanx

Post by TheocWulf on Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:24 pm

Good day Rev left lurkers hope you enjoy browising the forum and Frothing at the Mouth.

Any Idea if SF has found us yet it would be intresting to be critisised from the liberal left and the reactionary right.Good times

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Re: RevLeft discovers the Socialist Phalanx

Post by Coach on Fri Aug 26, 2011 3:32 pm

Why should I blame them for coming to such conclusions?
Look at the majority of the forum active membership and much of what it posts!
Fascist and Strasserite shit is everywhere here. I'm sick of it, and I ain't the only one.

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Re: RevLeft discovers the Socialist Phalanx

Post by Celtiberian on Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:00 pm

Coach wrote:Why should I blame them for coming to such conclusions?
Look at the majority of the forum active membership and much of what it posts!
Fascist and Strasserite shit is everywhere here. I'm sick of it, and I ain't the only one.


Do you honestly believe if we made a policy wherein we banned all Strasserists that our reception at RevLeft would be any better? You really think those imbeciles are capable of appreciating the nuances of left-wing nationalism? Having browsed through that forum for years, I can unequivocally state that their impression of us would remain exactly the same:


"ZOMG!!!1! They say they believe in nationalism and we all know nationalism is fascist! 'Phalanx' is the English translation of 'Falange,' (Franco's fascist party) ergo, they're Falangistas! Just like the Nazis, using the name 'socialism' to deceive the working-class into supporting reactionary politics..."

RevLeft literally bans people for daring to question the logic behind mass immigration, let alone expressing any doubt behind the desirability of cosmopolitanism. They've already called your tendency a "contradiction," so don't delude yourself into thinking it's just the Strasserists they have an issue with. Moreover, the Strasserist members of this forum, for the most part, keep an open mind and have expressed a genuine desire to learn. Whatever post any member writes which violates our guidelines is immediately sent to the 'Opposing Views' section, and there we have the choice to debate them. Personally, I think it's a fine policy.

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Re: RevLeft discovers the Socialist Phalanx

Post by TheocWulf on Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:22 pm

Coach wrote:Why should I blame them for coming to such conclusions?
Look at the majority of the forum active membership and much of what it posts!
Fascist and Strasserite shit is everywhere here. I'm sick of it, and I ain't the only one.


Thats the spirit comrade united front and all that hey Very Happy

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Re: RevLeft discovers the Socialist Phalanx

Post by Leon Mcnichol on Fri Aug 26, 2011 4:58 pm

RevLeft is a de facto dictatorship where any deviation from the "party line" equates to a trip to the OV, or a ban, so i wouldn't bother much with what their membership thinks of us and our policy. Besides, the most vocal members there are clearly more worried with pushing their personal agendas than with any working or precariat class, hence why i never bothered to register, and rarely browse their forum.

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Re: RevLeft discovers the Socialist Phalanx

Post by Celtiberian on Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:21 pm

From RevLeft:

svenne wrote:On a somewhat more serious and scary note, i really can't see much difference between them, and some proponents of African socialism, Arab socialism and other ideologies, which combines anti-imperialism with vague ideas of socialism.


Observe the straw man he's creating in order to equate what we promote with Third Positionist nonsense, like Gaddafi's "Green Socialism." I'd really like to know precisely how we're "vague" about the socialism we espouse. I find such an accusation absolutely hilarious, considering the vast preponderance of RevLeft purposely avoids mention of how a post-capitalist economy will function, since Marx occasionally suggested that "recipes for the cookshops of the future" are "utopian."

As long as they're just a bunch of kids without influence in the labor movement, social movements or anything like that, we should propably just ignore them.


Laughing Like the members of RevLeft (and the various miniscule "political parties" they belong to) have any serious influence in the labor movement..

LOL at you, dear fascists.


He nailed us! We're clearly corporativists.


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Re: RevLeft discovers the Socialist Phalanx

Post by Coach on Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:23 pm

I'd like to welcome the many new guests here from RevLeft. It's about time you showed up!
Engage us if you are serious about revolutionary socialism.

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Re: RevLeft discovers the Socialist Phalanx

Post by Celtiberian on Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:25 pm

Coach wrote:I'd like to welcome the many new guests here from RevLeft. It's about time you showed up!
Engage us if you are serious about revolutionary socialism.


I second that!

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Re: RevLeft discovers the Socialist Phalanx

Post by Coach on Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:30 pm

Coach wrote:I'd like to welcome the many new guests here from RevLeft. It's about time you showed up!
Engage us if you are serious about revolutionary socialism.


Let's have real debates here, that can't be held fairly where you came from.

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Re: RevLeft discovers the Socialist Phalanx

Post by Godfaesten on Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:33 pm

Yes, I love this. Phalanx = Falange = Falangists = Fascists

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Re: RevLeft discovers the Socialist Phalanx

Post by Rev Scare on Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:35 pm

We are, for all practical purposes, an entirely new left-wing movement. There is little purpose in squabbling over legitimacy with such ignoramuses as can typically be found on RevLeft. They have, in a relatively short thread, managed to wholly discredit themselves. Their "analysis" with regard to the position of our forum and the subsequent attempts at discounting our views have thus far proceeded so laughably that it borders upon reaction.

If any RevLeft members who might be following this thread care to grace our forum with a lively debate, please join us in the "Cosmopolitan" section of Opposing Views.


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Re: RevLeft discovers the Socialist Phalanx

Post by Godfaesten on Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:37 pm

I like this game.
Socialist Workers Party = National Socialist German Workers Party = Fascists!

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Re: RevLeft discovers the Socialist Phalanx

Post by Celtiberian on Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:39 pm

Godfaesten wrote:Socialist Workers Party = National Socialist German Workers Party = Fascists!


How did I fail to notice that for so long?! It all makes sense, drop the "National" to deceive the workers. Alex Callinicos is obviously a closeted Nazi.



Notice the black shirt this fascist typically wears. Not so subtle, Alex..

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Re: RevLeft discovers the Socialist Phalanx

Post by Coach on Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:45 pm

Celtiberian wrote:How did I fail to notice that for so long?! It all makes sense, drop the "National" to deceive the workers. Alex Callinicos is obviously a closeted Nazi.



Notice the black shirt this fascist typically wears. Not so subtle, Alex..


?
Doh, I was so blind, but now I can see it too!
He kinda resembles Tony Blair too! Coincidence? Razz

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