Other forms of unity, or, revolutionary religious socialism

Pantheon Rising wrote:...but he was certainly the most INTERESTING character from the Reich cabinet. I, personally, would have liked to view first hand the ancient pagan rites that went on in Wewelsburg.

Indeed, I first "saw" one on "Fullmetal Alchemist: Conquerer of Shamballa, and that directed me down another rabbit hole

Pantheon Rising wrote:I have found Himmler's racial theories flawed and way too Aryanist/Nordicist as well as chauvinist but he was certainly the most INTERESTING character from the Reich cabinet. I, personally, would have liked to view first hand the ancient pagan rites that went on in Wewelsburg.

I doubt there was anything ancient about it the characters Himmler kicked about with were Estorics who used a north west european framework on top of eastern (mostly Hindu) style of spiritual undersdtanding.See charcters like the Thule Society and the mixed Greek/Italian estoric Savitri Devi who was married to an Indian Hindu.

The Use of Germanic and Celtic symbolism was simply a way of getting tapping into the masses folk consciousness.The Hitlerite leadership and infact the majority of the of the entire western world had very little intrest apart from a few Estorics,writers and opraists in a "dead barbarian religion" Hitler himself was especially hostile.Many true Heathens ended up in work camps.

From AH himself
On the contrary, it is entirely out of harmony with the spirit of the nation to keep harping on that far-off and forgotten nomenclature which belongs to the ancient Germanic times and does not awaken any distinct association in our age. This habit of borrowing words from the dead past tends to mislead the people into thinking that the external trappings of its vocabulary are the important feature of a movement. It is really a mischievous habit; but it is quite prevalent nowadays

TheocWulf wrote:I doubt there was anything ancient about it the characters Himmler kicked about with were Estorics who used a north west european framework on top of eastern (mostly Hindu) style of spiritual undersdtanding.See charcters like the Thule Society and the mixed Greek/Italian estoric Savitri Devi who was married to an Indian Hindu.

The Use of Germanic and Celtic symbolism was simply a way of getting tapping into the masses folk consciousness.The Hitlerite leadership and infact the majority of the of the entire western world had very little intrest apart from a few Estorics,writers and opraists in a "dead barbarian religion" Hitler himself was especially hostile.Many true Heathens ended up in work camps.

From AH himself
On the contrary, it is entirely out of harmony with the spirit of the nation to keep harping on that far-off and forgotten nomenclature which belongs to the ancient Germanic times and does not awaken any distinct association in our age. This habit of borrowing words from the dead past tends to mislead the people into thinking that the external trappings of its vocabulary are the important feature of a movement. It is really a mischievous habit; but it is quite prevalent nowadays

True, and it is a shame that Hitler held such a view towards real heathens. I, still, have always had an interest in the Orient religions and far Eastern Occultism though.

Pantheon Rising wrote:True, and it is a shame that Hitler held such a view towards real heathens. I, still, have always had an interest in the Orient religions and far Eastern Occultism though.

Well luckily (not for those who sufferd of course) becuse of Hitlers persicution people cant really accuse our religion as linked to Nazism.The Folk Mother Else Christensen herself (she was also a Danish Syndicalist activist aswell) ended up on the wrong side of the Hitlerites and her husband ended up in camp.If she had perished our faith may never have made it into modern times.

The reason I think many Europeans have an Intrest in Eastern spiritualism is the lack of a European spirituality due to over a thousands years of Christianity.

TheocWulf wrote:Well luckily (not for those who sufferd of course) becuse of Hitlers persicution people cant really accuse our religion as linked to Nazism.

Current reactionaries today seem to be doing quite a good job at that though, using Odal runes and other images while at the same time singing praise to Hitler. Shame really.

The Folk Mother Else Christensen herself (she was also a Dutch Syndicalist activist aswell) ended up on the wrong side of the Hitlerites and her husband ended up in camp.If she had perished our faith may never have made it into modern times.

I have a deep respect for Else Christensen.

The reason I think many Europeans have an Intrest in Eastern spiritualism is the lack of a European spirituality due to over a thousands years of Christianity.

I agree. For example the concepts of Jihad and Martyrdom found in Islam appeal immensely to me, these are concepts which can not be found in Christianity, but can be found in our Folkish religion. (Sacrifice for the folk - dying in battle, a warrior's death). That is not to say Christianity is devoid of any noble aspect either though. I think Christianity brings out the humanitarian and good will side of Europeans, for example - the Missionaries. While most sects of Judaism were only concerned with themselves and THEIR pact with God certain Christian missionaries really did think that they would be bringing salvation to people.

You mean due to over a thousand years of distorted, erroneously interpreted, and exploit-based Christianity? (thats how I see it. Real first century Christianity was so communalistic and so similar to paganism that almost all believers today would condemn it as heresy or idolatry of some kind) Even the Gnostics dont fully capture the spirit of the original movement... Theres a fella on Youtube by the name of Julian Lee who has some excellent videos on the similarities between Christianity and Buddhism/Hinduism.

ChristNatCom wrote:You mean due to over a thousand years of distorted, erroneously interpreted, and exploit-based Christianity? (thats how I see it. Real first century Christianity was so communalistic and so similar to paganism that almost all believers today would condemn it as heresy or idolatry of some kind) Even the Gnostics dont fully capture the spirit of the original movement... Theres a fella on Youtube by the name of Julian Lee who has some excellent videos on the similarities between Christianity and Buddhism/Hinduism.

You might enjoy these videos as well then:

Pantheon Rising wrote:I agree. For example the concepts of Jihad and Martyrdom found in Islam appeal immensely to me, these are concepts which can not be found in Christianity, but can be found in our Folkish religion. (Sacrifice for the folk - dying in battle, a warrior's death). That is not to say Christianity is devoid of any noble aspect either though. I think Christianity brings out the humanitarian and good will side of Europeans, for example - the Missionaries. While most sects of Judaism were only concerned with themselves and THEIR pact with God certain Christian missionaries really did think that they would be bringing salvation to people.

Well ill disagre with there the abrahamic faiths are not relly intrested in any folkish issue they are universalist in nature.If you take Islam as an example there is no aspect of dieing for the folk just for Islam itself Infact many populations in the middle east and asia have ancient folkish tribal codes that are still observed that to an extent condtradict Islam for example the Pashtunwalii code of hounour of the Pahtuns in Afghanistan was/is a major thorn in the side of the Taliban as it is impossible to iradicate and contadicts radical Islam on issues such as womens dress and women working in the fields as youngsters and older married ladies .

As for the missionaries I take no joy in Europeans going to places Africa and destroying the local populations folk religions no matter how humanitarian they belived it was.I see no diffrence between that and the conversion of those Europeans by the Romans and later by there own kin in the name of humanity but in reality in the name of power.

Judaism is a strange example of a Folk religion its good in the sense that its restricted in most traditional sects to those of its peoples blood but other sects allow non Jews to take part in Kibbutz and other activites but never really let them be one of the Tribe.

ChristNatCom wrote:You mean due to over a thousand years of distorted, erroneously interpreted, and exploit-based Christianity? (thats how I see it. Real first century Christianity was so communalistic and so similar to paganism that almost all believers today would condemn it as heresy or idolatry of some kind) Even the Gnostics dont fully capture the spirit of the original movement... Theres a fella on Youtube by the name of Julian Lee who has some excellent videos on the similarities between Christianity and Buddhism/Hinduism.

No doubt real Christianity practiced in the middle east certainly looked like many other Folk religions all over the world.The Romans are the people who turned it into what we have today,but regardless its still a pretty alien system for Europeans.

Oh, yes, very much so. Of course there will be little sprinkles of "heresy" here and there when dealing with such radically unorthodox interpretations of the Christ, but again I take the stance of open discussion on the subject, and love to hear gurus and eastern teachers' opinions on Him. We cant grow our spiritual understanding if we sit in the corner, fearful of the inquisitors. That is a form of totalitarianism and under most circumstances should be discouraged. Thanks for the vids, comrade!

TheocWulf wrote:Well ill disagre with there the abrahamic faiths are not relly intrested in any folkish issue they are universalist in nature.

True, though the univeralist aspect is no good reason to say everything about the religion is wrong.

If you take Islam as an example there is no aspect of dieing for the folk just for Islam itself Infact many populations in the middle east and asia have ancient folkish tribal codes that are still observed that to an extent condtradict Islam for example the Pashtunwalii code of hounour of the Pahtuns in Afghanistan was/is a major thorn in the side of the Taliban as it is impossible to iradicate and contadicts radical Islam on issues such as womens dress and women working in the fields as youngsters and older married ladies .

It may be for Islam rather than their folk but I think that is good in its own way. The struggle for a spiritual idea is the ultimate rebellion against materialism and nihilism which has been ever so present since the bourgeois revolutions beginning in France. In my opinion there is nothing more noble than a man who pledges himself to pursuits greater than those of the material world and it is precisely this idea which as made European civilization so great in the past.

I also wish our people today had steadfast determination in fighting for something rather than just being apathetic consumers, I believe we can wake them up, but this level of apathy is disgraceful.

“Nobody who dies and finds good from God would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and everything in it, except the martyr, who – seeing the superiority of martyrdom – would wish to come back to the world to be killed again.” – Mohammed

This quote from the Prophet Mohammed reveals what I admire about the Islamic religion the most.

As for the missionaries I take no joy in Europeans going to places Africa and destroying the local populations folk religions no matter how humanitarian they belived it was.I see no diffrence between that and the conversion of those Europeans by the Romans and later by there own kin in the name of humanity but in reality in the name of power.

True, we see how destructive that was in the present time. There is no doubt it stemmed from the European will to do good in the world though.

Judaism is a strange example of a Folk religion its good in the sense that its restricted in most traditional sects to those of its peoples blood but other sects allow non Jews to take part in Kibbutz and other activites but never really let them be one of the Tribe.

I think it is good that Judaism is restricted to mostly a tribal religion though I still think it speaks volumes about our good will that we were more concerned with than just whats beyond our own noses. This has been our weakness in the past though as it is today.

True, we see how destructive that was in the present time. There is no doubt it stemmed from the European will to do good in the world though.

More like the churches will be be very very very very very rich and powerfull.

TheocWulf wrote:True, we see how destructive that was in the present time. There is no doubt it stemmed from the European will to do good in the world though.

More like the churches will be be very very very very very rich and powerfull.

No doubt that some of it stemmed from the desire to gain riches and wealth, however reducing everything to economic motives is too much like the Marxian interpretation of history and too materialistic. There is not always economic motivations for actions, especially on behalf of Europeans.

Pantheon Rising wrote:No doubt that some of it stemmed from the desire to gain riches and wealth, however reducing everything to economic motives is too much like the Marxian interpretation of history and too materialistic. There is not always economic motivations for actions, especially on behalf of Europeans.

True but the same can be said of people from all over good people are good people,However our colonial history economic,Religious,humanitarian or otherwise was not our finest hour.

TheocWulf wrote:True but the same can be said of people from all over good people are good people,However our colonial history economic,Religious,humanitarian or otherwise was not our finest hour.

Definitely not our finest hour, but, I don't think complete isolation would have been good either. There was a definite healthy tendency for the urge to spread European civilization which was and still is the light of the world. We are simply dealing with the mess today and it is time we withdrew completely from the world scene and focus solely on the advancement of our own kind.